Saturday, June 10, 2006

The big picture



I was so focused on getting a shot of this Great Blue Heron yesterday that I completely missed an even neater creature. Can you find him, swimming in the background? That's what I get for not stopping to look at the big picture.

Oh well. Seeya later, alligator.

I got a nice shot of this turtle, though.

64 comments:

jcw said...

Probably a pretty good reason that Heron was on the dock. And you thought he was posing for you.

As for the turtle my father and I were fishing one time in a large farm pond. We caught a couple of large bluegill and put them on a stringer, throwing it into the pond. We went back to fishing this time for bass. It took a little longer to catch one of those but when we did we pulled the stringer up and lo and behold, fish remains. All of the sudden a turtle pops its head up near the fish end of the stringer as if to say thanks. Little bastard.

thimscool said...

Beautiful animal, so graceful in flight. The heron is the earthly representation of the phoenix.

Nice shot, Morgan.

Roland said...

Except for the alligator, it could be Minnesota.

Nice photos.

Morgan said...

jcw, in retrospect, I should have had a clue that something was afoot, or a-swimmin. The heron seemed a bit nervous, and kept looking at the water. I thought maybe he was looking for frogs or something, but I think he was keeping an eye out for the gator.
Yes, turtles are notorious for stealing bait. I've always feared I'd catch one on a hook and then face the unpleasant task of unhooking it, but so far I've been lucky.
The yellow-bellied turtles are in abudance in this particular lake. They are well-fed by visitors and flock in droves to the dock. The one pictured was getting tossed pieces of bread.
Around here, the slang for a yellow-bellied turtle is "cooter," which I've always found amusing.

Morgan said...

Thanks, Luke and Roland. I really enjoy getting shots like these. It makes my day.
Luke, herons are some of my favorite birds. They do remind me of a pheonix, now that you mention it.
Roland, I might feel safer canoeing in Minnesota. I've developed an uncanny knack for coming up on alligators. I usually don't mind it unless they go under the boat. That kind of freaks me out a little because it gets me looking around to see where they're going to resurface. It always reminds me of Jaws when the shark disappeared and you never knew where he was going to come up but knew when he did it wasn't going to be good. :-)

Roland said...

Even though you might come upon a gator, at least it's gotta be warmer than up here.

46 degress when I got up this morning and not supposed to get above 70.
Have to love summer in Minnesota. :)

Morgan said...

Roland, I envy you your cool temperatures. It's going to be hot here in Carolina today, and humid. We won't see 46 degrees until the dead of winter.

Roland said...

About the temperatures:
Sure you'll say you would switch now.
Let's wait until it's 40 below and here you repeat it! :D

Roland said...

"hear" not "here"

dlkjdfsa said...
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dlkjdfsa said...

JCW I relish in the fact the turtles are "steeling" your catch. Personally, I think fish are the most mistreated of all the animals, that is except for factory farm animals. My last room mate Steve is a vegetarian. He called his doggies vegetarians also. He gave me a shopping list and it included dog food made of whitefish and sweet potatoes. I asked how his dogs were vegetarians if they ate fish. He said that fish don't count because in the water a bigger fish would eat them anyway. I'm finding more and more that these PETA minded people are speciesist. Ahhhh look at the cute cow, pass me a fish stick.... Kill the evil snakes! It's silliness to me. A spider is a dog, a dog is a monkey, a monkey is a man.... well almost. I'm interested in what you think separates us from the other animals Morgan, without using god of course.

Damn I just wanted to make one small change to the comment and google has to scorn me by leaving the deleted comment text. Ouch.

Roland said...

Can't stand God in the explanation of anything, huh Robert? ;)

Okay we're all the same, life is pointless. We're all just wading through the muck and waiting to die.

Man what a cruddy existence. Let's add God back in where He has always been anyway. :)

Why is it better that the turtle eats the fish instead of jcw?
I say if he could catch the turtle, eat it too.
And, I hope and fully believe that one day that all animal will eat only plants.
(Now, quit crying for the plants and start to tell me that they "feel" pain)

But Robert, in your view, there is no one or nothing in control. We have to work for it.
In my view, I work for the sheer joy of it. Not because it's gonna get me anywhere. That's already been decided. I don't "do" anything. It's already been done.

Morgan said...

Robert, as much as animal rights types hate to hear this, intelligence sets humans apart from other creatures. To be sure, it allows us to do terrible things to the earth, ourselves and our fellow creatures. But it also allows us to do great things and to try and correct the mistakes we've made.
Even if you remove A Higher Power from the equation, which I'm doing for the sake of argument, the fact that we take advantage of our intellectual dominance on a daily basis.
You start up your POS van and drive it through what used to be pristine habitat, spewing emissions along the way and crunching countless insects and possibly even a frog or two. You tear open a cellophane bag without thinking of the pollution emitted by the plant that made it. You probably try to live in a more sustainable manner than most people, but none of us can truly live in a sustainable manner without foregoing electricity, growing our own food and sitting in one spot.
And of course don't forget that loving pet owners make decisions every day about what and when their pets will eat, whether or when they reproduce, whether they can stay indoors or go outside.
So like it or not, our intelligence and dominance sets us apart. And the opposable thumbs. Which is why when I play frisbee with my dogs I'm the one who throws it.

Morgan said...

Also, Robert, a vegetarian diet for dogs and cats is cruel. Dogs and cats are carnivores. To impose our lofty morality on them and make them eat something other than their natural diet is just one example of the pretzelesque morality of the animal rights crowd.
And, no, this should not be seen as a segue to discuss your feud with Steve. I'm going to have to insist that stay on your blog, if you please.

nicolaepadigone said...

those are awesome pictures. The heron is a beautiful bird.

Morgan said...

Thank you, Dan! How's it going? Have you given up over at VP?

JohnR said...

Morgan:

Nice pics, I think the gator in the picture is fine. You're too hard on yourself, that's my job.

By the way, what do you think of the raw diet for cats and dogs?

Have you read anything about it?

Southside: Following your former roomie's argument, it would be OK to eat rabbits, chickens, sheep, cows, and pigs because some other animal will just eat them if people don't.

What was your roomie thinking?

Every animal up the food chain eats something lower on the chain.

The only thing we couldn't eat would be large carnivores.

Wait, we have guns, so I guess bear steak is OK!!

JohnR

Roland said...

Bear jerky is good, too!
Especially while staring out at a blue heron with a gator in the background.
Speaking of which the State Fair in Minnesota started making gator on a stick available a few years ago. Haven't gone to try it yet. Would it be any good?

thimscool said...

I know it's a cliche but gator tastes like chicken, Roland. It's a little tougher, tho.

Cats cannot produce the amino acid taurine from other compnents. Therefore they need to eat other animals to get this substance (otherwise they go blind). Dogs, like humans, can subsist off of a vegitarian diet. But it is probably a lot less healthy for them than it can be for us...

Humans have a digestive tract well suited to a diet of vegetables or meat. Chimps and Bonobos, with whom we share a great deal of physiology, have a very low portion of meat in their diets (Bonobo's next to zero and Chimps around 10%). Most of the the hunting/meat eating behavior is actually oriented towards social bonding. The majority of thier diets come from gathering behavior.
~~~

SR
We already discussed your question a while ago here.

thimscool said...

Eating land predators is not a good idea. In fact, eating sea predators has become problematic as well.

The further up the food chain you go, the more concentrated the environmental contaminates become.

Also, the flesh of land predators is generally more sinuey and has a much stronger flavor than prey animals.

Bear jerky? Gross. Tofurkey Jerkey all the way!

thimscool said...

Even more off-topic:

ID/creationists like to point to the missing link in the proto-human fossil record as being a problem for the TOE.

But there is an interesting possibility known as the Aquatic Ape Hypothesis, which might explain the lack of a fossil record...

Essentially the idea is that protohumans took to the shallow waters during this period of our evolution (perhaps to avoid land predators, excessive heat or other environemental considerations). Thus, when they died, their skeletons were washed away.

Flaps over our noses/ears. The fact that we walk upright (much easier to swim efficiently with an elongated posture). And the curious fact that we are the only land mammals that have our skin attatched to our flesh... like a seal or a dolphin. Cats, dogs, apes, cows, etc. all have loose skin.

nicolaepadigone said...

hey Morgan,

basically. simply put, Vox's readers are just too mean. that sounds cry-babyish, but it isn't. i like a good healthy respectful debate, but people like Nate are really disrespectful and mean, and no fun to debate. I'm getting much more fun over on DailyKos. :)

Morgan said...

Roland, One of our neighbor killed a bear and cooked some of the meat. I tried it so I could say I did, but it was very gamey and extremely greasy.

To John R, thanks for the nice comment about the photos. I have read about the raw meat diet for cats and dogs and think it would make a lot of sense. I'm convinced a lot of health problems pets today experience is due to over- vaccination/medication and unnatural diets.

Luke, I'm going to have to check your link out. It looks *very* interesting. Per your comments about chimps, I believe their meat consumption is the highest rate among non-human primates. They are extremely savage in their hunting practices. I've seen some footage and it's disturbing.

Morgan said...

"simply put, Vox's readers are just too mean. that sounds cry-babyish, but it isn't."

The mean part never bothered me. I just slung it back at them and most of them couldn't take it. The reason I stopped being a regular over there because it was just so damn boring. It was literally the same conversations over and over and over again. Vox admits that's how his blog is done, which is probably a good move for what it is he needs to acheive.

way2much said...

Yesterday, my family went for a walk through a nature preserve near our home. We came across a lot of wildlife including a deer. Inspired by you, I tried to take a nice shot of the deer, but unfortunately, I still can't figure out my digital camera!
It came out all dark and grainy. So I don't have a nice photo of it, but I did enjoy the experience. It is so beautiful to be that upclose to wildlife.

Morgan said...

Way2Much, good for you! The journey of a thousand photos begins with a single shot. If it's any consolation, I've never been able to get a decent deer shot, either. I have a lot of blurry stills from the cameral on my cell phone. I take about three a week, trying to get a decent pic of the deer that go sailing across the road near my house.

Keep at it and when you do get some shots, share them with us! And take your camera *everywhere*. I missed an awesome shot last week and it happened to be on the one day I forgot my camera. I was so bummed out.

nicolaepadigone said...

"Vox admits that's how his blog is done, which is probably a good move for what it is he needs to acheive."

ah repetition, the indoctrination of Big Brother. ;)

right? :)

I've been tempted to get back on there and tell Nate that I found an example of God capitulating to the will of a nation over his principles.....but methinks he won't like that, and it won't make a bit of difference. (if you recall that "Open thread" wherein we got into that heated religious debate).

thimscool said...

Dan,

I read many of your posts, and while I can't agree with all that you say, I must observe that you are incredibly patient and an interesting read.

But that approach won't work for the dominant voices in a room full of unchecked agression. If you think it is worth reaching such hearts and minds, you must answer each challenge with a well placed bitch slap, prior to making your point. It can become tiresome.

thimscool said...

You gotta speak their language if you want to change their mind.

Personally, I think Nate is a pretty sharp guy, although definitely rough around the edges. Same deal with SB.

But once you get on their bad side, it's over. When they speak, the whole conversation follows their lead.

nicolaepadigone said...

yeah, i think he is sharp too, but he doesn't seem to know how to handle people believing different things. the way he comes accross is extremely self-righteous and arrogant, and it really undermines his bright thinking.

Morgan said...

"But that approach won't work for the dominant voices in a room full of unchecked agression."

Amen. I don't think I've ever heard it put better. The style over there is to incite aggression. If they can draw you down to their level of discourse, then suddenly it becomes an argument focused on not points, but personalities.

"Personally, I think Nate is a pretty sharp guy, although definitely rough around the edges. Same deal with SB."

I agree with your assessment of Nate, but SB comes off as kind of vapid and petty. I hope it's just an act, because if it's not then there's more air in her head than a wiffle ball.

"When they speak, the whole conversation follows their lead."

That's why they run dissenting people off. It's an echo chamber, but to keep them Vox has to pander to them. The weird thing is, Vox is so smart I sometimes wonder if he really likes his fans. He doesn't seem to have much in common with them, intellect-wise.

Morgan said...

"yeah, i think he is sharp too, but he doesn't seem to know how to handle people believing different things. the way he comes accross is extremely self-righteous and arrogant, and it really undermines his bright thinking."

Nate has short-man syndrome. He stays at home with the kids and he's a little guy, judging by his photos, so I think the blogging is his way of strutting like the big boys. VP is a safe place for him. He gets to feel accepted, and bigger than he is.

Usually you have to be in middle management to enjoy that kind of ego trip, so really if he's able to sit home in his pajamas and do it then more power to him.

thimscool said...

I recently learned that SB thinks that welfare recipients should be sterilized.

Wowie-Zowie, baby. That's hardcore. wonder if she was like that before marrying vox...

Morgan said...

"Wowie-Zowie, baby. That's hardcore. wonder if she was like that before marrying vox... "

I don't think it would have mattered. He's always advocated that men find a pretty but dumb girl and marry down, and he seems to have led by example in that regard.

That's well and good until it ends up as it seems to have there, with the man openly flirting and bragging about his premarital glory days.

Looks don't last. If you marry a pretty but dumb mean girl you just end up with a dumb mean old wife.

dlkjdfsa said...

Poor Vox, everyone is always picking on him. There is actually an Atheist web cast that parodies his name. I may be stupid also because I think that people that try to have more than two kids should be sterilized.

Also, Robert, a vegetarian diet for dogs and cats is cruel.

I agree full heartily.

intelligence sets humans apart from other creatures

I also share this belief but other animals do have intelligence and simple languages. Ours is obviously more advanced but what are the advancements separate us?

thimscool said...

SR,

Humans have several orders of magnitude more connections per neuron than any other creature. An elephant has a bigger brain than the two of us put together, but they have on average 100 connections per neuron. Humans have, on average, 10,000 connections per neuron.

Elephants have a language (they communicate over long distances via infrasound, like land whales). They bury their dead. There are many anecdotes about elephants that indicate they are capable of tactical planning. And they are obviously emotionally adept, if you see them with their young (or when they get pissed at a predator).

But compared to us, they're total dolts. You're not gonna teach multi-variable calculus to an elephant brain.

As for fleas, come on dude. They're barely more organized than a plant.

Sometimes, sufficiently large diferences in quantity can produce a qualitative difference; especially for emergent properties like intelligence.

thimscool said...

Jeeze Morgan,

Seems like you still feel the sting of SB's insults. She can't be that stupid if she got a law degree.

Not that lawyers are necessarily the brightest bulbs, but dumb girls don't pass the bar.

I guess I understand your bitterness toward her.

I'm not sure that I understand everyone's deep reverence for Vox tho. Does he ever come out to play in a forum other than his own?

Morgan said...

"Seems like you still feel the sting of SB's insults. She can't be that stupid if she got a law degree."

I don't think it's the sting. Her insults have never been particularly creative. I've just seen her be so shockingly terrible to people - even when they try to reason with her - that after a while it made me wonder if there weren't some sort of deeper problem.

I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on the law degree. As a reporter I dealt with a *lot* of lawyers and there are dumb lawyers just like there are dumb people in every other profession. Testing well doesn't necessarily indicate an ability to function.

If someone really passed the bar, it seems they could argue a debate on its merits, rather than just slinging mud. Of course, she may really be bright and is just playing it down to make Vox look better by comparison. I'd like to think that's the case for her sake, although I hate it when women purposefully act stupid and catty.

I'm not bitter towards SB and have even rarely engaged her in good conversation. But it only lasts until we're on opposite sides of the fence. I just frustrated at how people who would otherwise contribute to Vox's blog are driven away by the tone she sets there. He does the writing but it's pretty clear who wears the pants at VP.

And no, I don't think Vox posts outside his blog.

thi said...

"I'm not bitter towards SB"

OK. I see what you're saying.

And I certainly have seen my fair share of stupid lawyer tricks, too. But there is definitely a difference between acting stupidly (which we all do at times) and being stupid.

~~~

How's the project coming?

Morgan said...

"OK. I see what you're saying."

I'm glad, because I try not to be bitter with people and don't tend to give much thought to the unpleasant ones unless someone brings them up.

"How's the project coming?"

It's actually coming along better than I expected it would. So far what I've done has been met with good reviews, so I'm happy about that.

jcw said...

I don't visit for a couple of days, come back and see I've started a small firestorm. The most unfortunate part of "conversing" over the internet is the missing body language part of communication. While I was writing my turtle anecdote I was chuckling to myself that we large brained humans(though sometimes I wonder) had been outwitted by a turtle. When my father and I pulled up our stringer and saw what the turtle had wrought we both laughed.
To SR, we never fished or hunted for sport we always ate what we caught. I certainly do not agree with sport fishing or sport hunting but that is just me. I don't understand why someone is motivated to do either just for the sport of it.
As for VP my take is that the regulars at VP are very cynical people. SB, Nate and others lurk in the reeds waiting to pounce on anyone that has a different opinion from them but only on a limited number of subjects. My opinion is you can disagree with people without throwing in the "moron" or "willfully ignorant" comments. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves. It makes me believe they are bitter about something. And that's all I'll say about that.

JohnR said...

Have any of you guys ever been to Atrios' blog?

They make the invective at Vox's pretty tame by comparison.

The echo-chamber is in full effect there. Like wandering into a private conversation. They tolerate NO dissention. They're as bad a Democratic Underground.

JohnR

Morgan said...

"I also share this belief but other animals do have intelligence and simple languages. Ours is obviously more advanced but what are the advancements separate us?"

The advancement that sets us apart from other animals are the same differences that set wolves apart from earthworms: the ability to reason, work together and function in an organized manner.
As much as it may suck to you, Robert, some species are just dominant and of all those humans are the the most dominant species to walk the planet. It doesn't mean we've exercised our dominance in a positive manner, but that doesn't change the fact that we're dominant.

The old flea is a rat is a dog is a boy argument has been hashed and rehashed here before. It's a bullshit point of view because I don't know one person - you included, Robert, who wouldn't pull a tick off his ass out of 'respect' for its right to survive.

Our very existence as humans negatively impacts other living things. It's just a fact of life, so your high-minded ideals will only be limited to that until you give up your car, your electricity and other "human" comforts to go live in a mud hut.

And don't tell me how you already conserve. If you truly believe you are the same as a flea, it doesn't matter. You aren't doing enough.

Morgan said...

jcw,
I have no problem with people who hunt and eat what they kill. We live in an agrarian area and if we didn't have the annual hunt the deer herds would grow so large they would starve. If anything, they need to extend doe season here because the herds are so huge. The day after hunting season, I counted 36 deer in one field near my house during my evening drive home from the newspaper.

Yes, humans have thrown things out of balance by eliminating natural predator, but given that we have it's up to us to keep things in balance by culling the herds.

Introducing predators takes years and is understandably controversial in some populated areas. I do, however, think the ranchers in the West who graze on public lands are wrong to oppose the reintroduction of the gray wolf.

Morgan said...

JohnR, I haven't been to Atrios' blog. Is it a liberal blog? One fo the problems I have is the left/right slant on both blogs. If someone can't allow that their view just may be wrong, why bother debating in the first place.

"My opinion is you can disagree with people without throwing in the "moron" or "willfully ignorant" comments. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves. It makes me believe they are bitter about something. And that's all I'll say about that."

It's a distraction technique. If they can get you defending yourself personally, then it draws attention away from the issue. Suddenly it's your personality, political persuasion, etc. that's in the spotlight. Once they can paint you as they enemy, the pile-on begins and everyone starts attacking you because you're not "one" of them. Once that happens they claim victory because everyone agrees with them, all the while failing to realize the actual point got lost in the argument.

Ironically, Vox is better about not doing this than the members of his blog, which is why I believe he really must cringe when he stops and realizes he draws such an intellectually inferior crowd. But it's all he's got so he has to continually pander to keep them.

nicolaepadigone said...

Morgan,

"Ironically, Vox is better about not doing this than the members of his blog, which is why I believe he really must cringe when he stops and realizes he draws such an intellectually inferior crowd. But it's all he's got so he has to continually pander to keep them."

he's got to realize at some point that he will lose people (like me) interested in a healthy debate with him on the topics he brings up. The article that brought me to his site was his use of the Nazi example for moving millions of people out of a country. I wanted him to further explain his reasoning, but could never get past his readers. When I pressed him later, he had no interest in a debate.

I'm still pretty stoked that he took time out to write a whole blog about my comments on the Civil War. :)

Morgan said...

"he's got to realize at some point that he will lose people (like me) interested in a healthy debate with him on the topics he brings up.. I wanted him to further explain his reasoning, but could never get past his readers."

That's one of the things I've always found ironic about Vox. I can't figure out if he's hiding behind his readers or is afraid of them. I think it's a little of both. Although he says he doesn't want to break out, he really does. But I think to do so would require being brave enough to shake off the wing-nut hangers on like Verlch, EP and Nate.

But in watching him, I've seen that when he crawls the discussion two paces up towards reasonable discourse, they pull it back down three. And the lower element also hoot with encouragement when he makes an obvious ass of himself with sophmoric attacks on Medved, Maulkin, etc.

When Maulkin and Medved refuse to engage him, he claims that they're scared when the truth is they've probably seen his blog and write him off as an obscure nutjob with an insane fan base.

Roland said...

Wow, this whole thread started off with wildlife and tangented into web-wildlife. Weird.

After reading everything here, I have looked at Vox's blog, but never really saw anything that interested me that much. Maybe the political side of things isn't my bag that often...

But I LOVE this comment by Morgan:
"more air in her head than a wiffle ball"

What a great picture. Reminds me of Kathy Ireland. Heard her on a radio talk show about 10 years ago. The host (and myself) wondered what in the heck she and her hubby would talk about.
I think most her answers would be "Um... er... uh... I don't know"

I picture her as a wiffle ball head now. :)

Doctor Phull said...

I do believe that fellow in the background is Doctor Boogaloo's third son, Boethius, who suffered such severe birth defects from his parents living in a crematorium while he was in the oven (as it were).
Glad to see he is no longer in custody in Florida for hitting that young woman up for a double-leg dinner.

thimscool said...

The sad thing is that you can fight all the way up to the top of his blog roll, humiliating the regs, and he will still stay out of it.

In other words, he apparently won't battle on neutral turf, but when someone come into his house and stumps the chumps, he watches from the sidelines.

He has claimed that he intentionally avoids arguing where his knowledge is weak (say, physics). But I intentionally chose to debate progressive income taxes because that cuts right to the heart of the Libertarian agenda. What do I get for all my trouble? No satisfaction!

Not one person even attempted to deal with my intial points, but I cheerfully hacked them to pieces anyway.

Rather than joining the fray, Vox waits a bit and posts a entry called "An income tax in jeprody." Dream on...

Ah well. That was months ago. I subsequently tried to engage him via email, but only saw an indirect answer in his posts, including one beauty in which he called everyone that sends their kids to PS "idiots". What a brainiac.

I think you give Vox too much credit, Morgan. He is certainly interesting, at times. But he should really get out more.

Roland said...

If Vox doesn't get out much, why do so many people seem drawn to his site?
I mean no one would look at mine (aside from a few friends), until I stop by and comment on theirs.
So, did he gain a crowd and now they just stay there?

JohnR said...

Morgan: Atrios is a VERY liberal site. I first heard about them through Vox. Atrios posted about something Vox wrote but I don't remember the subject. Something about Israel and Jews, I think.

They will flame you if you deviate from the party line one iota.

I asked why the Dems would be better rulers than the Repubs, and one guy posted that they would kill fewer people than the Repubs.

Oh, and they called me an asshat.

JohnR

Morgan said...

Roland,

Vox writes a weekly column for WorldNetDaily, which has an audience of gullible, right wing fanatics. The site claims to be some large news outlet, but the guy who runs it, Joseph Farah, sits with his tin cup half the time begging for donations or putting a "Breaking News" icon beside cheesy pitches for the right wing books they publish. Vox's daddy was on the WND board. Before that Vox was just Theodore Beale, obscure fantasy writer with two books in print and a third that never made it. He asked me and a few other people to proofread the last one and I couldn't get past the prologue. I wasn't the only one who found it terrible, and I think he knows there are serious problems with his fiction. To his credit, he was very gracious and didn't lash out at me for criticizing his work, but he made it clear he didn't want to change it either.

The sad thing is that Vox has real potential, but he insulates himself with people who agree with him and won't acknowledge those who don't.

So, yes, that makes him stagnant and after a while people who found him intersting at first grow to find him tiresome. That's what happened in my case. If I wanted to read the same thing over and over and over, I'd hang around on his blog. But I don't. People who enjoy recycling the same arguments and issues over and over do, and they are his regulars.

Morgan said...

"Oh, and they called me an asshat."

An asshat?? Now there's one for the personal dictionary.

I'll spare myself the irritation of visiting Atrios. It just sounds like liberal versions of Nate, Verlch, etc.

My opinion is that people who readily flock to stand under one banner (conservative, liberal, Democrat, Republican) are all but saying, "I'm a label! Prepare for a closed mind and canned answers."

I deliberately visit blogs where I know I'll disagree with people, because I enjoy having my viewpoints tested. But it's hard to find political blogs where people don't attack you and while I had high hopes that Vox was strong enough to keep his reasonable, as it turns out he wasn't.

So I've tried to create a blog where people can come here, disagree and still respect each other's differences at the end of the day.

Morgan said...

"I do believe that fellow in the background is Doctor Boogaloo's third son, Boethius, who suffered such severe birth defects from his parents living in a crematorium while he was in the oven (as it were)."

Dr. Boogaloo throws some ugly children. But at least their smiles are toothy.

"Glad to see he is no longer in custody in Florida for hitting that young woman up for a double-leg dinner."

Yes, but his cousins are. Maybe now that the rain has come to Fla. they'll all go back in the canals where they belong instead of snatching joggers off retaining walls.

nicolaepadigone said...

"I deliberately visit blogs where I know I'll disagree with people, because I enjoy having my viewpoints tested. But it's hard to find political blogs where people don't attack you and while I had high hopes that Vox was strong enough to keep his reasonable, as it turns out he wasn't."

you could always come over to my blog, but just know i talk religion there as well. :)

I like your blog though.

Morgan said...

"you could always come over to my blog, but just know i talk religion there as well. :)"

I don't have a problem discussing religion. You should check my archives and see some of the knock-down-drag-outs we've had here. But we're still all talking. Well, most of us, anyway.

Roland said...

Which particular posts are we talking about?
Do they promote nudity? ;)

Morgan said...

"Which particular posts are we talking about?
Do they promote nudity? ;)"

Were you around for the one that sort of started it all, the one about porn?

Roland said...

Oh yeah!

Couldn't help telling fellow Christians I know that I was defending "porn" on the internet.

Quite a conversation starter. :D

It's actually one of the reasons I like you. You stand up for freedom. Not like the "True Christians" believe, but like Jesus taught and demonstrated throughout his time here on Earth.

Respect is something that is earned.

The pastor at my "old church" demanded it.

You, m'lady, have earned it.

Morgan said...

You're sweet, Roland. You may note that I've moved you up in my blog roll, and please know I did it while I was adding Omar to the list and *before* I ready your kind comment.

Roland said...

What kind of system do you use for your rankings amongst us?

Also, I like the catch you made on Robert being a closet Christian.

I'm still chuckling. :D

Crystal Lake said...

"The mean part never bothered me. I just slung it back at them and most of them couldn't take it."

Morgan, you started it. This is why I started off nasty with you and then toned it down when it looked like you were willing to speak civilly. Do you remember that?

Janet said...

Great photography :)